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just n from bethel
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Apostate Psychology
by Spade init's only fair that the psychology of apostates be assessed as they're intent on analyzing the psychology of jehovah's witnesses.
http://www.freeminds.org/psychology/mind-control/mind-control-or-brainwashing.html .
understanding mind control among jehovah's witnesses.
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DEADLY THEOLOGY - a History of the Blood Issue and What's Next
by Dogpatch inof all of jehovahs witnesses peculiar ideology that attracts the most attention is their controversial and inconsistent prohibition of transfusions of a red biological fluidblooddonated by caring people to help save lives.. in light of the fact that patients in need of blood seldom require all of the components of whole blood, modern medical treatment calls for only that portion needed for a particular condition or disease, and this is referred to as blood component therapy.
[1] the following information is centered on this therapy that is being used to save jehovahs witnesses lives.. by barbara anderson.
"echr point number 136, 139http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/view.asp?action=html&documentid=869647&portal=hbkm&source=externalbydocnumber&table=f69a27fd8fb86142bf01c1166dea398649 -- http://ukpmc.ac.uk/articles/pmc479295/.
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just n from bethel
What I understand Randy and Barbara to be saying is that the Watchtower has begun, particularly in the last decade, a slow & calculated gradual change in the blood doctrine. The linguistic and legal games that Watchtower plays with the blood doctrine is very much like the book 1984 and the re-writing of history. Right now they often claim that "fractions" have been acceptable for many decades, when that clearly isn't the case. But they are very deceiving and here's where it gets interesting.
If you take the OM/OD books. Look at the baptismal questions in the original one regarding blood. Then look at the Baptismal questions in the new one. The new one is much more vague. They no longer ask the question about "what would you do if a doctor told you that your family member would die without blood?". If you became a JW before 2005/2006 you had to answer 'you would let someone die', otherwise they wouldn't let you get baptized. Now that question is not even asked to baptismal candidates.
So the doctrine will change, as it already has, right before our eyes (those of us in the know). But to most JWs, they won't even realize it. That's how powerful and sneaky this religion is over people.
Take autologous transfusions. Those are now a conscience matter. The 2002 ( I think - might be different but it's close to that year) QFR basically changed this policy. You can take your own blood and store for 'specific medical procedures'? how long? 'it is up to the individual's conscience. What defines a specific medical procedure. Again - that's up to the individual? The only thing they'd probably poo-poo is storing your own blood, just for the sake of it, with no pending medical procedures.
How many JWs know this? Or more importantly, how many JWs realize how big of a deal this change in policy is? Very few. I had to correct a CO on the matter not even a year ago. He still had a hard time admitting I was right - but ultimately conceded.
So again, Randy and Barbara are right. It will change - but no JW will notice. Thus they won't sue and even if they didn't it wouldn't get far. They won't see it as a big deal either and leave in droves. Oh sure - some will wake up. But the only sad thing about it all really, is that many won't know. More unnecessary deaths.
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Inviting djeggnog to discuss the blood doctrine
by jgnat indjeggnog invited me to start a new thread about the blood doctrine, which i am happy to do here.
his objection was my statement,.
"i've seen the blood video, a deceiving mix of scripture, fearmongering and pseudoscience, with plenty of lab coats in view.
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just n from bethel
DJ is a genius and can do amazing things and has an incredible job:
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Inviting djeggnog to discuss the blood doctrine
by jgnat indjeggnog invited me to start a new thread about the blood doctrine, which i am happy to do here.
his objection was my statement,.
"i've seen the blood video, a deceiving mix of scripture, fearmongering and pseudoscience, with plenty of lab coats in view.
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just n from bethel
I have decided that obeying God (the GB determines what that is) ... makes sense to me.
But apparently obeying God in not speaking with disfellowshipped ones and apostates doesn't make sense to you. I wish I could have been part of DJ's version of JWs - the one where I got to pick and choose which rules I wanted to obey.
Here's what DJ's computer does to itself after listening to him for a few more posts:
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Inviting djeggnog to discuss the blood doctrine
by jgnat indjeggnog invited me to start a new thread about the blood doctrine, which i am happy to do here.
his objection was my statement,.
"i've seen the blood video, a deceiving mix of scripture, fearmongering and pseudoscience, with plenty of lab coats in view.
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just n from bethel
By the way DJ - have ever looked up the word "concise"?
Really though, thanks for posting. The amount of lurking Witnesses that read your diatribe and decide to leave the org continues to expand. You make the Watchtower's effort of keeping people in the org that much harder. Every post you write undermines the GB's effort and goes against their direction. I realize now you're the guy that can't get appointed an elder because absolutlely nobody likes you or respects you in the kingdom hall. They stopped listening to you long ago as you are so obviously condescending and likely sound a bit insane. That's why you like to use Dragon to type your responses, you can't get a single person to listen to you so now you have to yell at your computer. And in the end, it only has the opposite effect. Your message, your very presence here, is in complete disobedience to your God's appointed spokesmen and channel on earth. Your disobedience to them is the same as disobeying Jesus and Jehovah. Their biggest fear, is that pro-JW apologists like yourself won't really be able to make a logical explanation of their incorrect teachings and will botch them up even more than they already are. That's just what you've done.
I encourage every doubting lurker to read a few of your posts, and then tell me - is this the guy, who claims he's a representative for you and what you believe and how you see yourself and treat others, and obey the GB, is this who you want representing you? Is this who you are?
I already know the answer -many have already seen the apologetic nonsense and made the final leap out of the org - all thanks to DJ and others like him. Eventually, DJ will exit himself, or end up rambling to his computer, his only friend, into old age until he dies a sad bitter lonely man. Even the JWs don't want him. How sad. But for all those that leave because of you and your disobedience - we thank you.
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Inviting djeggnog to discuss the blood doctrine
by jgnat indjeggnog invited me to start a new thread about the blood doctrine, which i am happy to do here.
his objection was my statement,.
"i've seen the blood video, a deceiving mix of scripture, fearmongering and pseudoscience, with plenty of lab coats in view.
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just n from bethel
I sent DJ's response to my university debate professor:
Here's what he sent back:
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Inviting djeggnog to discuss the blood doctrine
by jgnat indjeggnog invited me to start a new thread about the blood doctrine, which i am happy to do here.
his objection was my statement,.
"i've seen the blood video, a deceiving mix of scripture, fearmongering and pseudoscience, with plenty of lab coats in view.
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just n from bethel
DJ:
what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this board is now dumber for having seen it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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How do you feel about the pledge of allegiance now?
by SweetBabyCheezits infor you us citizens (and those whose nations have a similar patriotic oath), how do you feel about your children saying the pledge in school if it's customary?.
my daughter is in 3rd grade and part of her school's morning routine includes the pledge.
when we stopped attending meetings a year ago, my wife and i explained to her that we don't agree with the jw "idolatry" classification so, naturally, she started joining her class in the pledge.. fast forward to the present: my wife and i are both non-theists who want to raise ethical, caring, tolerant children, but also children who aren't afraid to stand apart, especially when that stand isn't popular.
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just n from bethel
But then again - another part of me says I would never - ever, renounce my American citizenship. As for the whole 'move to canada' thing, well... if Canada was so great it would be a state. ;)
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How do you feel about the pledge of allegiance now?
by SweetBabyCheezits infor you us citizens (and those whose nations have a similar patriotic oath), how do you feel about your children saying the pledge in school if it's customary?.
my daughter is in 3rd grade and part of her school's morning routine includes the pledge.
when we stopped attending meetings a year ago, my wife and i explained to her that we don't agree with the jw "idolatry" classification so, naturally, she started joining her class in the pledge.. fast forward to the present: my wife and i are both non-theists who want to raise ethical, caring, tolerant children, but also children who aren't afraid to stand apart, especially when that stand isn't popular.
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just n from bethel
As I've left the JWs I often hear from hardcore Xtians that I've thrown the "baby out with the bathwater". That's just not true. I appreciate certain things that I learned while a JW. It was, after all, the JW's teaching to 'make sure of all things' that got me on the path of thinking correctly about the religion, the bible, and truth.
It turned out that the JWs only want you to make sure of all things that DON'T conflict with WT dogma. But - that doesn't mean every idea that JWs taught me was wrong. I appreciate that I don't look at any nation, including my own birth nation, as superior. I know that idea is not exclusive to JWs but I can promise you this, had I been raised in any of the churches surrounding my childhood home, I would have been taught that America was a superior nation. Add that onto chanting the pledge - day in and day out - well you get the cult of nationalism.
I think sometimes, when people leave the JWs they almost want to do everything they were told not to do as a JW, just to spite them. It's understandable, oppressive cults have a way of making people feel that way. But, the way I see it, is that I look at each issue on its own merits. Holidays, patriotism, military service, etc. I don't have a black and white classification system like the JWs. Each issue that deserves my individual consideration, gets it based on universal moral principles that are far above any religous school of thought.
Anyway - that's my Dear Abbey for the day ;)
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How do you feel about the pledge of allegiance now?
by SweetBabyCheezits infor you us citizens (and those whose nations have a similar patriotic oath), how do you feel about your children saying the pledge in school if it's customary?.
my daughter is in 3rd grade and part of her school's morning routine includes the pledge.
when we stopped attending meetings a year ago, my wife and i explained to her that we don't agree with the jw "idolatry" classification so, naturally, she started joining her class in the pledge.. fast forward to the present: my wife and i are both non-theists who want to raise ethical, caring, tolerant children, but also children who aren't afraid to stand apart, especially when that stand isn't popular.
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just n from bethel
SBC is an aweswome dad - he gives his kids pet dinosaurs! It doesn't get better than that!
